What am I doing wrong

Posted by Robert Petrosino | Wed Apr 28th 2010 7:56 p.m.

Hello everyone,

First thanks for taking a look at this thread. Now onto more important things. I am a struggling digital artist and I want to know why my work has not been selected for the Artbase here on Rhizome. I have been trying to expand my subject manner and include art historical references. So please if you have any insight please feel free to comment. I am open to all criticism. Thanks for clicking and for any response.

  • Michael Demers | Thu Apr 29th 2010 3:20 p.m.
    I think the video game console stuff is right us Rhizome's alley -- maybe you can show some images of the hardware in addition to the screen shots? Or a video of the hardware and screen images? I've seen other users upload videos to their portfolio (or, you could upload the videos to YouTube and link from there).

    What are some other ideas? Maybe someone from Rhizome could comment with some insider advice for this guy?
  • Brian Droitcour | Thu Apr 29th 2010 3:38 p.m.
    These are OK, but it's no Cory Arcangel.
    • . | Mon May 3rd 2010 4:10 p.m.
      what a prick
  • Robert Petrosino | Thu Apr 29th 2010 10:05 p.m.
    Mind blowing comment Mr. Droitcour. Thank you.
  • Michael Demers | Thu Apr 29th 2010 10:29 p.m.
    I think Brian is missing the point of this work. These images are obviously grounded in a particular art history that Cory Arcangel's work is not (I'm thinking specifically of Formalist work of the 1950s and 60s, as opposed to a nostalgic aesthetic). That's why I said this work would be right for Rhizome -- it exists at once in an art historical context, an aesthetic context, and a technological context.

    Besides, does this mean that Cory Arcangel is the only artist allowed to make work from video games?
  • Robert Petrosino | Thu Apr 29th 2010 11:16 p.m.
    Basing arguments off of the Criteria presented from Rhizome itself I would like to make a compelling argument for each category.

    the work's aesthetic innovation, conceptual sophistication or political impact
    Aesthetic innovation in each of my last work places a new form of art in dealing with video game console generated art by combining this with hardware failure has not been done before pressing beyond re-appropriation of art work.
    the work's relevance to the discourse of new media art
    Again creating a new platform for digital art based on an art historical context. As well as creating a new audience for these works.
    the work's place in the artist or artists' oeuvre[/i
    ]My body of work is growing and I am still a young artist.

    These are the criteria that are applicable to my work. So why is this artwork not placed into the Artbase?
  • Robert Petrosino | Mon May 3rd 2010 10:43 a.m.
    Any other comments?
  • Timothy Broadwater | Wed May 5th 2010 11:09 a.m.
    Robert, when I look at your portfolio here at Rhizome.org, all I see is the following ten pieces: Verification Text Art 2010, Audio Verification 2010, "Identity Crisis" 2010, "Digitized: Mountain and Sea" 2010, I hate Cory Arcangel III 2009, The Pizza Man 2009, I Hate Cory Arcangel II 2009, Dell Pre-boot ColorFields (Sol Lewitt) 2009, Time 2009, I Hate Cory Arcangel 2009. Is this correct, or are there more pieces that I'm not seeing?

  • Robert Petrosino | Wed May 5th 2010 12:09 p.m.
    Those are all the works that I have online at this point.
  • Timothy Broadwater | Wed May 5th 2010 12:57 p.m.
    Of all of your works, I would move away from the pieces that are comprised of still images or screenshots. I think your piece Time 2009 is probably the most thought provoking; however, it would be nice if it updated more than once an hour, but I do like the line of thought there.

    I like the fact that authorship is somewaht removed, apart from the code itself, and that it is constantly changing. Also, you might want to think about a way to make your work more performative, wherein the subject/imagery changes as it's viewed by different individuals.

    Finally, these are just thoughts and suggestions, because I too I'm trying to get some pieces in the Rhizome Artbase (lol). Let me know what you think of some of my pieces; I would appreciate that.

  • Ethan Ham | Wed May 5th 2010 12:59 p.m.

    My advice would be not to spend time worrying about this.

    If you're asking how you should change your artwork in order to be selected for ArtBase, then my answer would be that you should make artwork that you believe in, not artwork that is chasing after others' opinions.

    If your question is really a form of objection to not being selected... well, I'd suggest just keep developing your artwork and not get too focused on this one particular venue. One of your works might be selected at some point, or not... but I don't think worrying about it is the best use of your creative energy.

    If you're really just wanting feedback on your work, then I'd suggest having a studio visit with one of your professors (your bio indicated you're a studio art undergrad). Your professors are there to give you the kind of honest, intense, and personal feedback that is very hard to find outside of school.

    - Ethan
  • Sam W | Wed May 5th 2010 3:13 p.m.
    I would suggest having some where else besides a rhizome profile to host your work.
  • Robert Petrosino | Wed May 5th 2010 5:33 p.m.

    Thanks for you input about some of my works I am unfortunately limited by what can be done in coding for my Time piece for the other works such as the still images they are documentation of created video works that have been done recently with an xbox and playstation.


    Thanks you for your opinion on my motives. I am making my artwork for my self not for it to be selected but it is an advantage to have it selected due to the power of its name. I have spoke with many of my professors dealing with my art work that have been put up and it was a topic of our conversation that these were suitable to be selected for rhizome.


    I am currently working on a web page but purchasing a hosting site is quite expensive.

    • Sam W | Wed May 5th 2010 5:53 p.m.
      5-7.50 a month isn't that expensive (and that's for a pretty large plan)

    • Ethan Ham | Wed May 5th 2010 5:58 p.m.
      While realizing that what is considered expensive is relative to one's financial means, you should be able to find something that isn't too burdensome.

      Last I looked, it was pretty easy to find web hosting for about $60/year. If you want database support, it might go up to around $100. If the prices you're finding are significantly higher than that, you might be looking at dedicated hosting service, which you probably don't need.
  • Robert Petrosino | Wed May 5th 2010 7:13 p.m.
    For a college student to have that money pulled from my limited bank account is rather difficult. I am however not looking for advice for my artwork rather then the hosting of it. Plus I feel that no matter where the digital art sits in the internet it still holds the same value if it was on my own website.
  • Sam W | Wed May 5th 2010 9:18 p.m.
    It's digital art, if you want to be more popular presentation helps out a million.
    I'm saying this because I couldn't do anything more than view thumbnails of the pieces which I don't want to judge some one's work from.
    I mean for videos you can use sites like VIMEO and youtube, and there are tons of hosting sites for images (tumblr, etc.) I mean even a blogspot would be better than just a rhizome profile.
  • Robert Petrosino | Wed May 5th 2010 9:21 p.m.
    You do understand that you can click launch artwork to see full images of the work that are not just thumbnails of the images which are rather bad quality.
  • Robert Petrosino | Wed May 5th 2010 9:24 p.m.
    Also I have all of my work on this page from Igoogle

  • Timothy Broadwater | Thu May 6th 2010 9:52 a.m.

    1). Does the school you attend offer free web hosting?

    2). From your last comment, does Google now offer free web hosting?

    3). Can you record the video output of a tv for your X-Box piece (assuiming you can reproduce the error)?

  • Robert Petrosino | Thu May 6th 2010 1:11 p.m.
    1) No my school does not offer free hosting

    2) For the most part they do but uploading allow some uploading options such as flash videos

    3) It is possible to download the video input from an X-Box but requires equipment that is well over $250 So at this point still images are the most viable option
  • Robert Petrosino | Sat May 8th 2010 5:56 p.m.
    If anyone has anymore comments that would be great
    • Ethan Ham | Mon May 10th 2010 3:56 p.m.
      In responding to the artwork (and not responding to issue of being added to ArtBase), my suggestion would be to push it farther and think about why you are making the choices you are making.

      For example, I think doing something with the images on pizza boxes is interesting (by the way, I think there's a discussion to be had about whether all the images are in fact stereotypes--perhaps "caricatures" is a better way to describe them as a gorup?). However, I think there is probably a better way of engaging with the subject matter & material.

      I'm left wondering if presenting the images as time-elapse drawings is the best way--and wondering why you made that choice. It's certainly possible that I'm missing some deeper resonance here, but my impression is of an artwork that is halfway-cooked. I'm also wondering why you specified that the pizza images were taken from the internet--is that important to the work, or was it just a convenience? (And if it was a convenience, then why mention it?)

      And stepping back, I'm left wondering if time-elapse drawing is really the best medium to explore the idea of the pizza box imagery... You have the opportunity to do something with the actual pizza boxes and I suspect that using the physicality of them would likely be more effective/interesting.

      If you generalize these comments, I think they could be applied to most of what is in your Rhizome portfolio. I think you are picking interesting source materials (verification audio, verification text, etc.), but I would like to see some meaningful manipulation/investigation beyond the step of making the appropriation.
  • Robert Petrosino | Wed May 12th 2010 12:49 p.m.

    I firmly agree with the comments about the Pizza boxes it was originally a projection piece that was shown on an actual blank pizza box. It does take away from the art when you are unable to see it in the projection form. I feel that it is an important aspect that some images did come from the internet it would seem less digital and in my option less meaningful to the digital art world if the work was only from found pizza boxes. The internet allows for greater verity of images also. I how ever feel rather differently about my verification work. There is something innately beautiful on how a computer program can design words and audio into a form that some dismiss as an annoyance. Thus being able to document these works created by a computer seems justified that they stay in the form which was created by the program.
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